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Vir Leto · Feb 26, 2009, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Every game has problems and every mmo has botters/lechers.

I like RedNova's suggestion and I agree with it. It won't solve the problem completely and certainly won't get rid of the bots, but at least we'll get rid of the lechers. I would say after they get a kick to receive a one hour penalty.

As to WOW, I've played WOW too and it is just as full of botters/lechers as every MMO out there. Unfortunately the only way to get rid of this is to play a single-player game

Shayne Hawke · Feb 26, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

Removing Dishonor would not be a solution, and it would turn some arenas back into horrible places to play. It needs to be fixed rather than dropped entirely.

cyber88 · Feb 26, 2009, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedNova88

"Yeah, its unfair to blame Anet for Guild Wars's problems. It's not like they own the game and are the only ones who can fix it. "

If you're going to argue with me please post something intelligent and not something that's snide and derogatory. Anet is responsible for their own game, but considering you don't know how they operate it's pretty unreasonable that you single them out and assume that they're bad just because they don't have a magical solution to everyone's problem. It's a business, it's not a P2P game, Anet has limited resources and limited income. They can't rush to everyone's rescue when there's an inconvenience, and not every problem can just get solved with the snap of the fingers. Botters aren't Anet's problem, they're MMOs in generals problem, there isn't an MMORPG out there that doesn't have botters and leechers. Go on, show me one single MMORPG without the above. If you're going to be so negative towards Anet about the botting and leeching issues please at least come with a suggestion to do away with them that's reasonable, lest one assumes you're trolling.

"dying game"

Hehe, no it's not. I meet newcomers all the time, and still see people actively searching for groups for most missions. I can't see how it's dying, other than the obvious wear of time, which is inevitable for any MMO.

Did I ever blamed Anet for what happened?

Did I ever make snide and derogatory remarks?

Did I write something unintelligent?

All I wrote is what happened to me and that's it.

You are the one that is trolling/flaming.

If you can't troll/flame at anyone, please look properly before flaming/trolling.

p.s. please look at yourself in the mirror before insulting another person.

p.p.s. please highlight from my post all the things you commented on me. I am also curious on which part is unintelligent, which part blamed Anet, etc. I want to learn things that I even don't know from my post.

Nude Nira · Feb 26, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazi_saki

I like the afk system said by rednova, which kicks a player out after 60 seconds of inactivity. The only thing to complete this solution is to have ANET get a queued player and have him replace the afk-er. This will keep the teams complete while at the same time eliminating the leechers. This solution need not have a punishment.

And what happens if you disconnect for 60 seconds?

Yes, nice solution.

Tullzinski · Feb 26, 2009, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Does this still work?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ght=reportname

"so your better bet is to send bot names to "[email protected]" Be sure you put "Bot Names" in the subject line, because that address is generally only for reports of offensive names.

All bot reports will be investigated -- no one would be blocked simply because a name was reported, of course."

Seems like a better option than the ingame system.

Also remember a thread about submitting bots to support in a specific format but cannot find it as yet...will keep looking.

Grrrr bots!

*not used for leechers*

thig · Feb 26, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Yeah theres been a increase in boting and leaching in JQ. I'am one of those that have stopped reporting, unless I've seen 3 other players do a report first, since I'm tired of being the only one to report and eventually get the hex.

I do believe that A-net are aware of the issue, but do not know how to take care of it. I do like the idea of replacing a afk player after 60 seconds.

kazi_saki · Feb 26, 2009, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Look, after 60 seconds, you'll be kicked out and someone else in the queue will enter. When you do get kicked out, you'll just have to join the queue again. The way I see it, it will prevent/make it difficult for leeching since there will be no benefit to queuing, since you gain no faction whatsoever. And if that person just presses spacebar to stay in the game, you can report them for leeching/botting since they are obviously not doing anything and is really really leeching.

Painbringer · Feb 26, 2009, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nude Nira

And what happens if you disconnect for 60 seconds?

Yes, nice solution.

The system knows if you disconnect and reconnect. Besides if you really have to leave for something a quick map out would be the answer.

I would suggest If caught leeching for this you lose 5k faction and 1k baltz factions.

StormX · Feb 26, 2009, 03:42 PM // 15:42

What if you simply have to do something in the middle of a match, like go to the bathroom? I don't think this is a good idea. Only the real leechers should get the punishment, not someone who just happened to be lagging or had to attend to something IRL. You say to map out, but leaving the game gives 5 dishonor points. Bad idea. Besides, they will just make bots to move every 60 minutes. Some bots already do this, like spam skills or move around the map.

Parson Brown · Feb 26, 2009, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormX

What if you simply have to do something in the middle of a match, like go to the bathroom? I don't think this is a good idea. Only the real leechers should get the punishment, not someone who just happened to be lagging or had to attend to something IRL. You say to map out, but leaving the game gives 5 dishonor points. Bad idea. Besides, they will just make bots to move every 60 minutes. Some bots already do this, like spam skills or move around the map.

I kinda like the 60-second kick idea. Wouldn't stop the follow-bots, but it could help.

As for the "bathroom-door bell-smoke break-need a beer" exuses for going AFK, the team shouldn't suffer because you had to go. JQ matches only last 10 minutes as it is...

Ec]-[oMaN · Feb 26, 2009, 04:15 PM // 16:15

People still play this MAP? dear lord.....

elk · Feb 26, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

not that I'm condoning the act or action of, but I understood that leeching; as long as it's not through use of a bot, was not against the EULA. If someone chooses to join and not participate, that; although annoying and lame in my opinion, isn't against the rules. I just remember something similar with Fort Aspenwood.

I figure if you take the time to sit there and actually enter, you may as well run around and entertain yourself. Further to that, if you actually make an attempt at being a productive part of the team, it'll only add to the chances of a win and therefore a greater return on faction.

oh and for clarification sake, I don't bot or leech (well not intentionally - sometimes connection is an issue, or things like the kids take priority etc. but that could/should be said for everyone actually trying to play).

elk

Mangione · Feb 26, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

The solution to leechers and botters for me has been:

REMOVING MYSELF FROM THE ARENAS.

Simple as that, I'm so tired of them that I decided to not go anymore in FA and JQ. I think that as more players will leave that areas, more bots and leechers will be there.

Antares Ascending · Feb 26, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

While it would be nice if Anet could do something like WOW has but WOW charges $14.99/month and sells game goodies to boot. There is simply more cash flow to ,well, suport suport. I would be willing to pay a monthly fee to see more Anet/Ncsoft involement in theses matters but it would have to match the game. Kinda hard to compare WOW anf GW worlds. I personaly like GW but wow does have a different and huge world.

JASON626 · Feb 26, 2009, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KZaske

How do you know for sure that they are all bots & leechers? As I understand it a leecher will just stand there and not fight, but what about bots?

The bots that i see alot will load and use skills right away like glyph of lesser. Then the bots run back and forth targeting nearest player to follow them very irradically. Some will just C + space bar attack.

The best thing would be some system that forces a human player to be there to enter battle. something like click enter, then says enter code as shown, then click accept. This way the code changes everytime you go to enter a battle. Like signing up for email to prevent spam addresses. Talking a short 4 digit number/letters code something entered in a few seconds.

Or even hitting enter then another box pops up randomly on your screen to click start battle. That way it has to be targeted in different locations.

Wubbies · Feb 26, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

everyone should start leeching off the bot, leaving the arena with only bot and leecher lol woohooo....

/signed

Wubbies · Feb 26, 2009, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedNova88

Anet is responsible for their own game, but considering you don't know how they operate it's pretty unreasonable that you single them out and assume that they're bad just because they don't have a magical solution to everyone's problem. It's a business, it's not a P2P game, Anet has limited resources and limited income. They can't rush to everyone's rescue when there's an inconvenience, and not every problem can just get solved with the snap of the fingers. Botters aren't Anet's problem, they're MMOs in generals problem, there isn't an MMORPG out there that doesn't have botters and leechers. Go on, show me one single MMORPG without the above.

So true and people get

when someone defends anet. thats why people hate me

too many QQ in gw

JASON626 · Feb 26, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

People still play this MAP? dear lord.....

You earn much more faction than AB since the update.. 3.5k a win everytime not depended on what map your on like kaania canyon or ancestral lands.

Squire Heats · Feb 26, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

A lot of these leechers are also botters, except all the bot does is enter the arena, ie hit the enter mission button position every x seconds so when they re-enter the outpost they rejoin the queue. These people should also be banned (sure it would have to be shown they have joined mutliple times and not actively been involved)

All it would take is one person with the ability to ban people to observe all the games within a 30min to hour period and most of the bots would be caught, even the so called leechers (who are enter bots).

By just banning the main ones, it would set an example meaning less people will do this in the future...it would also make the arena more enjoyable so when a future leecher turns up people are more prone to report them.

OR implement a system like Allience battles, which has virtually got rid of bots, it would also make the map more playable. Currently you can end up with no monks (from a luxon point of view this is virtually unplayable against an average team with degen on turtles and repairing gates) or sometimes too many monks and not enough dmg etc...

MercenaryKnight · Feb 26, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Yet again, I direct a.net to my suggestion in this thread. A small but effective solution to arena bot problems.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10335105

If a.net cared it'd be fairly easy to implement this and at the very least cut the bot population in half. Until some smarter programmer changed the code and then leaked it for the rest of the idiots who just download and google.